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I just saw the Waters of Mars, somewhat after the rest of the internet. Prior to reading what other people have to written, what I absolutely need to say right now is this:

-Sweet Tinkerbell Jesus, the Doctor needs someone to fucking stop him!

-I was hoping that my prediction of another incredibly depressing chapter in DW/TW canon would be proved wrong. Instead, RTD just keeps finding new and different ways to make me feel like slitting my wrists at the end of watching. (Note to readers: this is an exaggeration. But not by that much.) In addition to just about everybody on the base dying and the Doctor attaining a terrifying level of hubris, Adelle gave some harsh indications about the intervening 50 years.

-Nine would totally blow his top if he found out what Ten just did, and especially how he was justifying it. So would most of the companions, but Nine would have some particularly strong words on the subject. (He got in a fight with Rose about saving someone against the laws of time, for crying out loud.)

-The Doctor sees Ood people!

-Can I regard this as an enchanting story about a girl who befriended a Dalek and went on to be part of the first colonists on Mars, forgetting about the last day or so of that base?

-I suspect that quite a lot of time may have passed for the Doctor since JE. It's been WAY too long since he had someone with him for long enough to see beyond the flashy rescues and dimensionally transcendent ship and remind him that Time Lord or not he still puts his pants on one leg at a time.

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Date: 2009-11-18 01:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ms-sardonicus.livejournal.com
Finally! Someone who feels the same way I do AND mentions how Nine would absolutely go off his nut if he ever knew this would happen. It seems the general consensus is that Ten needs hugs and kisses to pull him back from the dark side while I feel he needs a good swift kick in the arse. How ridiculously arrogant can you be that you cause another person to kill themselves? I was really stunned into silence with that ending!
My question is why is Ten so afraid to die? He knows he's going to regenerate, right? While Nine willingly went to his death to save Rose, Ten's hubris has extended to his body image. Or does he think he won't regenerate?
The Doctor definitely needs someone with him to ground him if only to remind him he's not the most gorgeous incarnation! (waves at 5 and 9 ;P)

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Date: 2009-11-19 06:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tardis-stowaway.livejournal.com
Ten's justification of his actions with all the "Time Lord victorious" and winning the Time War rhetoric goes completely opposite Nine's attitude, and it's NOT a good or healthy change. A lack of hugs and kisses might have played a roll in letting Ten sink as far as he has (but it's not a complete explanation), and perhaps there is a place for them later in the journey of pulling him back. However, right now what he needs is a Tyler or Noble slap, Nine's withering Disapproving Glare of Doom, or some other very firm method to take him down several notches.

I've been wondering about Ten's inflated fear of death too. He seems to alternately seek death out and run away top speed. I think fear that he won't regenerate is distinctly possible. The prophecy is "your song is ending," where regeneration seems to me more of a song changing key.

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Date: 2009-11-18 03:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mysticalchild_isis
-Nine would totally blow his top if he found out what Ten just did, and especially how he was justifying it. So would most of the companions, but Nine would have some particularly strong words on the subject. (He got in a fight with Rose about saving someone against the laws of time, for crying out loud.)

So much word.

Also, I was definitely wondering about Reapers- shouldn't they have appeared and starting going for the survivors?

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Date: 2009-11-19 06:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tardis-stowaway.livejournal.com
Also, I was definitely wondering about Reapers- shouldn't they have appeared and starting going for the survivors?

That's an excellent point! I can think of a couple of explanations:
-Perhaps the event was not as fixed as Ten thought, and in fact it could be changed without alerting Reapers.

-Conversely, the change could have damaged the fabric of Time so much that Reapers were not able to come repair it.

-Perhaps there were a few minutes of grace before the Reapers descended when the future was in flux. In that grace period, Adelaide killed herself and set events on a course close enough to the original to count. I suspect this third option is most likely.

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