I couldn't care less about Steve/Bucky romantically (or sexually), but I love their impossibly awesome brotherhood.
Friendship and brotherhood are important and need lots of fannish love! For me, one of my shipping pressure points is close friends pining over each other and refusing to admit that their feelings are also romantic, so it didn't take much to get me onboard. *shrug* It's a powerful, moving relationship with either interpretation, I just spend more time mentally yelling at them "now kiss!"
I also love Sam's friendship with Steve and the fact that he was clearly jealous of Bucky's relationship with Steve. The whole "I'm Steve's BFF, not you!" sniping match they occasionally engaged in was *everything*
Indeed! I rather liked that even though Sam has spent so much time helping Steve try to find and help Bucky, he and Bucky don't get along, at least right now. It helps avoid the Saint Sam stuff I see in a lot of fic and lets Sam be more of a whole person, jealousy and all. Plus, their back and forth is just so hilarious.
I think Vision's basic problem is that he doesn't really get human interaction.
IDK, it reminds me of how when male geeks are creepy towards women at conventions I often hear their defenders talking about how the creepy guys are just socially awkward or just don't get how to interact with women. That might be why he did it, but that explanation doesn't take away from the creepiness of the action. The Vision is obviously very new at being humanoid, but he comes from JARVIS who was unfailingly polite. He has the knowledge of how humans behave towards each other, so I wish he'd use it. His behavior wasn't quite bad enough to set me against the character long term, and I do think he could learn (preferably, as you say, from Pepper), but I don't like what we saw here. I do get how others might read it differently, however.
Yeah, Tony and Steve definitely both have good points. Honestly to really pick a side I want more details about the agreement than we get in the film. International oversight and accountability seem better to me than unregulated vigilantes, so in theory I'm like Natasha, Team Iron Man despite a personal closeness with Cap. However, a lot would depend on the nitty-gritty policy details. Would the Avengers be able to respond quickly to an emerging situation or would they need to go through 17 levels of committees and red tape every time? Would allowances be made for the fact that some collateral damage is nigh inevitable at the larger than life scale of their battles, even when they're doing their best to preserve lives? What provision would be made for people newly coming into superhuman abilities who don't yet have full control over their powers? Mind control is a reality in the MCU, both through HYDRA-style technology and magic like Loki's, so how would any regulatory body deal with people like Bucky (or Clint in the Avengers) who committed crimes only while victims of mind control?
Tony does need SO MANY HUGS.
I think Clint and Natasha's friendship will be completely unchanged after this. "Yeah, we were on opposite sides, whatever. Coming over for dinner, Nat?" They're practical.
100% this!!
My guess is that when "Infinity War" kicks in, Team Cap and Team Iron Man will join up, and we'll have hero bonding again.
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Date: 2016-05-11 12:59 am (UTC)Friendship and brotherhood are important and need lots of fannish love! For me, one of my shipping pressure points is close friends pining over each other and refusing to admit that their feelings are also romantic, so it didn't take much to get me onboard. *shrug* It's a powerful, moving relationship with either interpretation, I just spend more time mentally yelling at them "now kiss!"
I also love Sam's friendship with Steve and the fact that he was clearly jealous of Bucky's relationship with Steve. The whole "I'm Steve's BFF, not you!" sniping match they occasionally engaged in was *everything*
Indeed! I rather liked that even though Sam has spent so much time helping Steve try to find and help Bucky, he and Bucky don't get along, at least right now. It helps avoid the Saint Sam stuff I see in a lot of fic and lets Sam be more of a whole person, jealousy and all. Plus, their back and forth is just so hilarious.
I think Vision's basic problem is that he doesn't really get human interaction.
IDK, it reminds me of how when male geeks are creepy towards women at conventions I often hear their defenders talking about how the creepy guys are just socially awkward or just don't get how to interact with women. That might be why he did it, but that explanation doesn't take away from the creepiness of the action. The Vision is obviously very new at being humanoid, but he comes from JARVIS who was unfailingly polite. He has the knowledge of how humans behave towards each other, so I wish he'd use it. His behavior wasn't quite bad enough to set me against the character long term, and I do think he could learn (preferably, as you say, from Pepper), but I don't like what we saw here. I do get how others might read it differently, however.
Yeah, Tony and Steve definitely both have good points. Honestly to really pick a side I want more details about the agreement than we get in the film. International oversight and accountability seem better to me than unregulated vigilantes, so in theory I'm like Natasha, Team Iron Man despite a personal closeness with Cap. However, a lot would depend on the nitty-gritty policy details. Would the Avengers be able to respond quickly to an emerging situation or would they need to go through 17 levels of committees and red tape every time? Would allowances be made for the fact that some collateral damage is nigh inevitable at the larger than life scale of their battles, even when they're doing their best to preserve lives? What provision would be made for people newly coming into superhuman abilities who don't yet have full control over their powers? Mind control is a reality in the MCU, both through HYDRA-style technology and magic like Loki's, so how would any regulatory body deal with people like Bucky (or Clint in the Avengers) who committed crimes only while victims of mind control?
Tony does need SO MANY HUGS.
I think Clint and Natasha's friendship will be completely unchanged after this. "Yeah, we were on opposite sides, whatever. Coming over for dinner, Nat?" They're practical.
100% this!!
My guess is that when "Infinity War" kicks in, Team Cap and Team Iron Man will join up, and we'll have hero bonding again.
I assume so!